Happy New Year Alex!! Hope 2020 is treating you well? Just a couple of queries:
1. I'm going to wait until Top Gear America has announced more parts of their series, such as where it's filmed, what segments are there and what cars will be used, before I either update Top Gear America or create a new page, titling the original Top Gear America (BBC) and the new one Top Gear America (MotorTrend).
2. I'm currently creating pages for cars, used, and fixing up ones, that a relatively irrelevant. Just wondering if there are any cars, you want me to add to this wikia.
3. How's the Grand Tour pages going and will both Wikias be merged as well as Fifth Gear.
4. I hope my Clarkson's Car Years image is ok, I'm worried about the quality of it.
The year's been going very well so far! I have gained a hold of two original 2002 BBC2 airings of Series 1, long thought to be gone from the internet:
Link to screencaps here Episodes 4 and 7, I listed the differences in the respectivearticles. I'm downloading more episodes from S1 - S3 on a very old, outdated service in the hopes there are more hiding somewhere.
Also if you've checked the latest blog post, there's a more or less complete episode guide from 1978 - 2012, listing every segment, the production code of each episode, and the episode's exact official length. Soon I will be able to release my documentation project to the internet, missed the December deadline though.
The car pages are great, I'll tweak them whenever I see fit but for now you're doing well.
As for the merge, I'm going to wait since activity's picked up and I wasn't expecting it, I didn't come here until March last year anyway so I guess I missed it, but the merge will happen probably closer to late Spring now. Still plan on doing it though, because there really is no point keeping it separate. I used this example when stating my case: Hulk Hogan Look how many different companies he wrestled for, and if it was like ours, every time he switched company we'd need a new article on like 10 different wikis... there's no point! Surely you agree with this, makes much more sense to condense everything down into one central hub instead of splintering it all out.
And as for Mvanterati, he vanished for a full year and then got at me for locking the main page, even though he locked so many of the goddamn episode & presenter pages for no good reason initially. I'm not worried about him, he did a lot for this Wiki but we've done arguably a lot more.
Agreed, if the wikia, is condensed to one page, known as the car show wikia, it makes more sense than to have one central car page wikia rather than several different pointless ones. I think with regards to Top Gear America , I'll retitle the current one as Top Gear America (BBC) and create a new page called Top Gear America (MotorTrend) for Bovingdon, Corddry and Sheppard. Also I will create new pages for the upcoming Series 28 and update the wikia wherever possible.
My point exactly. TGT is basically within a year of wrapping up for good, after that there will be no more. So the Wiki will just stay dead with no new content. Honestly, it should never have been made. I stopped editing because of my intentions to merge the two. I'm not suggesting blindsiding Mvanterati, but he is really the only obstacle. I think once he's disappeared for 2 - 3 months, we can do the merge and rebrand this Wiki to something more appropriate. I've been trying to think of a snappy name, but in all honesty the "Car Show Wiki" is probably what we want. Once I have free time I'll look to secure the Fifth Gear Wiki so it too can be merged.
I've had a page idea, don't do anything yet but it would necessitate most episode and series pages being renamed.
For example: Series 1 would become Top Gear: Series 1 (2002) As it will no longer be Top Gear-focused, the page names will need to be consistent and disambiguation pages for "Series 1" will need to be created. I know there's a special procedure to doing this, but I'll need to do more research.
Another plus of this merge, since you asked about it last year, is we can branch out further to shows that were involved with the cast/crew, but are not car shows. So stuff like James May's toy series or the trio's new Amazon shows. But that's very far in the future atm.
Just keep up the good work, and in the Summer I can begin working full time again once I've cleared the confusion.
Hi there, Merry Christmas, just checking, should a new page be created for Top Gear America and would it be helpful if I create new pages for the presentes. Also should the main wikia be updated to the format since Series 28 is around hte corner, Series 4 of TGT has begun and Season 2 of Top Gear America is due soon.
There was a page for Top Gear America, unless you mean you want to make an S2 page. Definitely get started on presenter pages.
If you could find a promo picture of S28, I'll apply the image template to it and add it to the main part. I've already updated the bit at the top.
Everything's sort of in a temporary state until I get a few things done IRL. I hope Spongebob doesn't think I'm ignoring him, I just have other priorities at the moment and can only contribute a couple things each day. Just want to get that Wiki Hero badge lol.
Sure, I can do the Presenters Pages, just updating some other pages to match Series 27. I think the Promo for S28 will be in January, the only upcoming thing for Top Gear is the Nepal Special, which I believe will go alongside S28 but not be part of the series.
By the way Alex, do you know if Top Gear America will be presented in Las Vegas or somewhere else. Cause if it's an All new location, I suspect it's an all new series. Also should the Polar Special be included on the overall episodes list.
Just wondering what you wanted to do with these chaps and also wanted to inform you that Clarkson's Car Years has been created but unfortunately the Image quality wasn't as good as I hoped. Also Since we have dates for Series 28 of Top Gear, Series 4 of The Grand Tour and Top Gear America, shouldn't these be updated on the main page..
Here's the new lineup for Top Gear America. I can create pages for each of the new hosts if you'd like. Also have created Clarkson's Car Years but am a little concerned over the image quality. Please don't be upset, but the Image I selected may be of poor quality. If you want to edit, please feel free to. Thank you
Absolutely, if you wanted to, that show's not affected yet. I can add production notes and other stuff once you've wrote about it. Not sure if you're up to date on the situation but I'm looking to merge the TGT wiki into this one, so I said to go easy on that content for now.
It was locked before IIRC, and it's mainly a spam filter as it wouldn't look good if it was vandalised; in the future I'll move it over to templates to prevent this. Was there anything you needed to add to it? To be honest I could say the same thing about the multitudes of pages (mainly Grand Tour articles) I had to unlock once I adopted this Wiki. If you wanted to become an Admin again I'd be happy to reinstate you provided you make more regular appearances.
Hey there! Just checking in to see how things are going. I know there is a Christmas special for Top Gear this year which is super exciting! This new series has gone down really well. Do we know anything about that yet?
I am trying to keep the main page up to date as much as I can with clickable series pages, planned air dates and trailers, but the only problem I've found is that this place is very, almost uncharacteristically lonely. If you check older page's histories or blog posts from 9 - 10 years ago, there were a lot more contributors than there are now. A show as big as Top Gear needs more than one active contributor to keep it afloat. I'm not sure if it's your forte, but certain television wikis have a countdown timer in the top right of the main page which counts to the airing of a new episode. Would it be possible to implement this ASAP or would it require extra extensions? It will definitely get a lot of mileage, no pun intended, as there are three shows I could tool this to count down for, 4 if the French version's been renewed.
For the moment, I'm actively focusing on pre-2002/non-TV related content, such as the '90s series The Car's The Star which was one of the show's first spin-offs during the original version of Top Gear and was comprised of just 33 20 minute long episodes, and I've been saving up a few offline pages to cover stuff like the compilation albums, board games, and all the presenters who featured from the '70s to the turn of the millennium. There are still pages in dire need of improvement that I will get to eventually, and I can't remember if I asked before or not, but is there a video which shows how to edit the mobile main page? That's my main concern before I try and broaden awareness of this place so I can get it on to the Fandom App and hopefully attract new visitors.
My reasoning behind my current strategy is that development on this Wiki grew so slow and inactive during the second half of this decade that instead of futilely chasing new content, which would forever leave it catching up, I'd go back in time and do everything that came before it first. Ideally I need one person who is a fan of the new show to cover basic things like synopses and power laps, so when the time comes that literally everything (~1500 pages from now) preceding S23 of the reboot series is up to date, I can swoop in with other stuff like airing histories, templates, home releases and external links.
Also, I'd like to further broaden this Wiki so it covers all of the foreign adaptations, especially the French version, which has quietly become the most successful and longest-lasting of any non-UK interpretation. It would be nice to have a Francophone to translate some of the better pages into French, as although I could definitely do a decent job of it (studied the language for one of my A-levels), at the end of the day it's just more work put on top of an already beyond-gargantuan task. This would also help to increase this wiki's mass appeal, as we'd then have clicks from French-speaking countries.
It's just a matter of seeing if there are any editors who are willing to step up to the task, as although SennaPerformante's been doing a decent job while he's been here, his visits have grown more infrequent these past few months.
Hey! There's a bit to break down here - please excuse the lengthy response!
So in terms of the main page, it looks pretty good for sure and does largely conform to current standards. This staff blog is a really useful insight into how main pages should look!
A key bit really is to use graphical representations for links as opposed to plain links as they attract more attention. At the top of your main page, where you have when seasons concluded, it might be useful to have graphical representations of that, similar to how you have done it with Seasons. When the new season airs, it's very important to have that represented on the main page, and even give it a full section similar to how we do it on the SpongeBob Wiki.
I can for sure help with the countdown timer. There are a few designs available - did you have a specific air date in mind to countdown to?
Mobile Main Page
Help:Mobile Main Page has a useful video! I'm more than happy to help set the Mobile Main Page up, please feel free to ask! :)
Attracting contributors isn't always easy but a key way to do that is to create a more interactive experience for the community. Enabling Discussions (which I can do for you) will help with this as it provides a space for users to talk about the new series. If you gain more users from this approach, you can then approach them to say "Hey, do you want to help contribute?"
Also, whenever you receive a new contributor, don't be afraid to check in with them (as I'm doing with you now) to ask if you can help with anything. You want to keep them around and if you can make their experience nice and make yourself approachable, that will really help.
Focusing on making your current content richer is great, well done! Even the older content is important. I will say though that when the new series and the Christmas special premiere, you should be making sure to switch your attention to those. Users come to wikis when new releases happen. If you can provide up to date content for them they are more likely to stick around and engage with the wiki, including contributing.
Hopefully this has helped! I absolutely agree with getting this wiki on the Fandom app. To do that, you will need Discussions enabled and a curated Mobile Main Page. :)
Things have been fine for the most part, have more or less an outline of what I need to accomplish. The former admin/bureaucrat, Mvanterati returned after a 10 month absence and asked about why the front page was locked, but didn't answer as to what changes he needed to make.
I did write a lengthy reply to the previous message a while back, but the site appears to have eaten it in front of my eyes, have copy-pasted this one so the same doesn't occur.
I think the important thing is we update each and every show as new info comes out - I already came up with a compromise for TGT content (shorter, abridged articles with a warning that it's unassociated with the BBC), that then links to a full-length article on the TGT Wiki so there's not two identical pages. Thankfully I think I've found a member who can keep on top of the current version of BBC's Top Gear too. I myself am also on the lookout for what MotorTrend plan to be doing for Top Gear America so I can update those pages when necessary.
Sounds good! It's great a user from the past has returned, hopefully they can stay and help out.
In terms of The Grand Tour, I was actually unaware there was a separate TGT wiki. While you've done a great job of trying to avoid duplicated content, there are still articles on both wikis on the same topic. It would be useful to avoid that if we can.
I've messaged Fandom staff about that to see if we can find an easy workaround with it. On the one hand the two shows are created by two completely different companies and have slightly different formats, but it's hard to argue against the shows being very similar. That creates a dilemma content wise I think.
Truthfully, I've been thinking of a merge for a while now. And it's not only The Grand Tour. Don't know if you're familiar with it, but there was another show born from more or less the same circumstances that TGT was ~15 years prior. I'd be very interested in including this show too, since genealogically it's linked to Top Gear. If it were to happen, I feel it'd necessitate both a URL and name change. Something like "WikiGearia" though perhaps someone could come up with a better name. Already I've been including and plan to include several spin-off shows, so it wouldn't be too leftfield to open this Wiki up to FG-related content too.
Of course, you'd have to go talk to a bunch of people as you've already said and since I don't own the Fifth Gear Wiki, try and establish contact with its owner. But I definitely agree, Top Gear, The Grand Tour, and upon my suggestion, Fifth Gear ought to all be under one roof as opposed to splintered in their current forms.
But on the whole, I'd be all for it. Just let me know what decision is made and I'll try my best to prepare in the event anything is decided.
Hey! So staff got back to me and they agree it would be better to keep the wikis separate.
The shows are very similar but as they're from different production companies and air on different platforms, it makes sense to keep the wikis separate.
It is also recommend that TGT content on this wiki be removed as duplication of content in any way isn't good for either wiki. That should hopefully make life easier for you here in keeping tabs on TGT content. :)
Going forward, it would definitely be a good idea to affiliate TGT Wiki and this one though. For example, where you link to The Grand Tour article on this wiki, linking to TGT on The Grand Tour Wiki would be a great play. Wiki interlinking is great for Search Engine Optimisation!
I'm going to add TGT Wiki to my wiki list so I can help with anything leading up to the release of the special. :)
I'd understand the decision if there was nothing out there that included media from various different companies. But just to open my argument up, here's a Professional Wrestling Wiki, a bustling source of over 100,000+ pages:
Pro Wrestling Wiki WWE, TNA, NJPW, you name it, none of them are related to one another. Back in the '60s the majority were under the NWA banner, but that has long since passed. This is a Wiki focusing on professional wrestling as a whole, and if you check FANDOM, you'll notice isn't a single competitor wiki in sight. No WWE-exclusive Wiki, no TNA/IMPACT-exclusive Wiki, they are all together in this one all-encompassing Wiki. Because, much like Top/Fifth Gear/Grand Tour, the same people have jumped between companies. Rey Mysterio. Cody Rhodes. Chris Jericho. Even Hulk Hogan. The same people playing the same characters but from unrelated productions founded by entirely different individuals and owned by entirely different companies. Hypothetically speaking, if the rosters of WWE and another company switched overnight, keeping their active storylines in place, which would make more sense?
Two separate wikis which rapidly change subject matter from one day to the next
A balanced Wiki detailing the exploits of both companies, telling a full story
An example: WWE and WCW both had a group of people called the nWo, which started out in the latter. When WWE bought out WCW in 2001, the nWo moved to WWE. If there were two separate WWE and WCW wikis, they'd need two nWo pages covering the events which happened in each of their franchises, whereas the Pro Wrestling Wiki has just one page for the whole of the nWo.
Frankly I think my idea is beneficial:
The other two Wikis are basically inactive. Fifth Gear hasn't had an edit since April and Grand Tour's shelf-life is already close to expiring. At this rate we'll have one stagnant Wiki with about 10 - 20 new pages a year once fully caught up, and two mostly dead ones.
The Grand Tour Wiki has largely the same members working on it as the Top Gear wiki - why split work over two wikis when it could be moved into a single bigger one?
The only thing I can think of which would cause a problem is that Wikis focused on popular media have to stay focused on that IP. I do not see anything that would actively stop me from changing the subject matter of the wiki if I so wished, as Top Gear would still be at the heart of the matter
I am perfectly open to forfeiting the "Top Gear" URL and anything which otherwise names this Wiki as directly focused on Top Gear. I will gladly rescind the Wiki from the BBC and Reality TV series, and allow someone else to create an alternative Top Gear-exclusive wiki, provided they come up with their own pages and do not pilfer from this one. I would be open to it.
It would take weeks of restructuring this wiki into a general one, but I honestly believe this would be a better option in the long run, because it would then allow inclusion of media that wouldn't normally fall under any other banner (such as James May's toy series or the series Richard Hammond presented for Men & Motors). Whereas if the three were kept separate, these would never get coverage. And I believe they should. People loved the former, but there is no in-depth Wiki that would cover them.
An active example is Chris Harris' Drives. Since he jumped on board the BBC, it's been the intellectual property of Top Gear. Up until that point however, it was an independently produced series. I do believe Drives post-acquisition will be included on the TG Wiki in the future, but the stuff prior to that remains ambiguous. If the wikis were merged and this became a general all-purpose Wiki focusing on everything the cast members have put their name to over the years, we could include the entirety of Drives as well as Harris' other solo work, which wouldn't otherwise have a Wiki it could go on.
At the end of the day it's your call, but I believe it should be reconsidered. I am fully willing to close the GT Wiki, merging pages where necessary, drop the Top Gear name from this one, and disassociate it from any brand/show loyalty, turning it into a general Wiki focused on car programmes which stemmed as a result of Derek Smith's brainchild. I will still ask Community Central, because I do not see why this has to remain fixed to BBC's IP, when I have not wished for this Wiki to become official.
Hey! I've been having a long think about it and have spoken with staff about it extensively as it's a really interesting situation. The consensus from those conversations is that we think you should go ahead with your plans for the merge as you are very passionate about it and already have some great ideas and how to go about it.
So at the moment, TGT is due to premiere its first special of Season 4 next Friday. The release schedule for the series is a bit up in the air it seems, and Andy Wilman has said we might only be able to expect 2 episodes a year from now on.source
With the potential large gap between releases, that gives us plenty of time to plan the merge going forward.
Initially, it makes sense to try and map out how you plan to organise the content from Top Gear Wiki, TGT Wiki, Fifth Gear Wiki (if the community agrees to the merge), and content from other car shows. That's quite a big undertaking to create a huge car show database, so giving time to plan is key.
Are you able to outline what plan you have so far for how you will deal with the content organisation? I'm happy to help with planning as needed and to be a contact with Fandom staff in case you have any questions. I wouldn't worry about details with regards to branding and designing the merged wiki here, or closing TGT Wiki yet as content should take priority.
Lastly, given the special is airing next week, I recommend you focus your editing efforts for the special on The Grand Tour Wiki. This is because from a search engine perspective, users will be going to that wiki and it's key you go where the audience is. Don't worry about any work being wasted, as all content will be transferred here anyway.
How does this sound? Sorry if it's a lot to take in. As a quick summary:
Please do go ahead with plans for the merge
Start planning how you're going to handle the content, I can help if needed
Don't worry about branding etc until the content plan is established
For next week's premiere, try to focus attention on TGT Wiki (content will be transferred here when the merge happens so no work wasted!)
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This should be really useful for you as a new adopter of this wiki!
So as I mentioned above, this feature is really great as it allows you to see what areas are doing very well and how you can capitalise on them. For example, your current most popular article by far is Specials. You definitely could add that article to your main page somewhere and put it in a predominant location in your wiki's nevigation. This is just one way this new feature is super useful!
Hopefully you like this feature, it's been highly requested for some time and we would really appreciate your feedback on it. For more help with it, please feel free to ask me questions and also refer to these two super useful articles:
I was previously aware of these changes through MisterWoodhouse's blogpost but couldn't get it to work on the day, assumed there was high demand/traffic at the time or I put the link in wrong. It's working now, so thanks for the direct links.
It's eye-opening how many people browse this Wiki on their phones, and to that extent I'd like to update the main mobile page, though I'm kind of stuck on how to use that particular editor as it's so different from the usual ones. I also think it would be worthwhile to consider getting this Wiki on the Fandom App, as no doubt many mobile users have it on their phone. I did ask a while back what the minimum requirements to be featured on the App were, but perhaps you could help me out with more direct answers. Thanks very much in advance.
No problem! That's exactly why I included the direct links, to make it so you have a place to refer to where the links will always be. Glad it worked out that way!
These statistics have proven to be a real eye-opener for a lot of people in terms of the amount of mobile users use Fandom. I think that's a sign of the age we're moving towards with more readers using mobile devices.
That's a really great idea to have the wiki on the Fandom app! That will really make using the wiki easier for mobile users. For the mobile main page, would you like me to perhaps create a skeleton for which you could add to? Or would you prefer a more hands-off step-by-step kind of thing? Help:Mobile Main Page is a useful help page nonetheless! :)
One requirement for the Fandom app (which is easy for me to enable) is Discussions. You may have heard of that feature, but it's a social area where users can discuss a wiki's topic, in this case, Top Gear. The reason it's a requirement for the Fandom app is because the Fandom app uses that feature as part of its functionality as you may have seen.
Let me know if you would like me to enable Discussions and I'm super glad you like the new Analytics tool! :)
Yeah, just copy the page made on the TGT Wiki and we'll add to it when more things become known. Also, I think it's perhaps best to rename them to "Seasons" as I suggested earlier, and keep "Series" as a redirect page. If you don't know how to do that I'll do it, so it doesn't break any links.
I've been trying to change Series 1 to Season 1 on The Grand Tour wikia but it's refusing to allow me to do so. Also I personally feel that on the Grand Tour wikia it should be Seasons while on Top Gear wikia it should remain Series to give differences. Like each episode on the TGT wikia have the title whereas each episode on the TG wikia is each listed by Series and Episode.
I think I know what error that is btw, something to do with redirects and can only be fixed by a mod. Don't worry about it. Also I'd be inclined to agree with you, but whoever made the Top Gear US pages used "Season", so now I'm not sure. If we used redirect pages, stuff like "Season 1 (TGT)" would still show up even if you typed in "Series 1 (TGT)" - try typing in "TGM (Romania) 26" and you'll see the page for TGM (UK) 168 pop up.